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April 2, 2008

Update: Clergy ask Carcieri to rescind immigration order

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Journal photo / Mary Murphy
Bishop Thomas J. Tobin speaks at the interfaith press conference today on Cathedral Square. Among those behind him are, from left, Rabbi Alan Flam and the Rev. Donald Anderson, executive minister of the Rhode Island State Council of Churches, and the Rev. Eliseo Nogueras of the Hispanic Ministerial Association.


PROVIDENCE -- The emotional debate over illegal immigration moved from the governor’s office to the steps of a church this afternoon as religious leaders from around the state called on Governor Carcieri to rescind his executive order cracking down on illegal immigrants.

More than 40 clergy members from various denominations gathered outside the Cathedral of Saints Peter and Paul and applauded as Rabbi Alan Flam described the governor’s order as poor public policy that will have "unintended negative consequences’’ including more "discrimination against people of color and immigrants in Rhode Island.’’

Even Bishop Thomas J. Tobin, leader of Rhode Island’s Roman Catholics, who described Carcieri, also a Catholic, as a compassionate man, said: "At least I would like the governor to look at this issue again very, very carefully and to study, to see if there is another way of accomplishing the goals he has in mind.’’

Bishop Tobin said, "An executive order like this…causes a lot of fear’’ among both properly documented and illegal immigrants. "So it’s caused that kind of ripple of fear and anxiety throughout the community and I’m not sure that was the intended effect but it is a real effect none the less.’’

Later this afternoon, Carcieri said he must "respectfully disagree" with the clergical leaders' position on illegal immigration and his order.

-- Journal staff writer Tom Mooney

Bishop Tobin, who said he would be talking to Carcieri in the near future about reconsidering his order, said there is a need for national comprehensive immigration reform. But "the immigrants who are already in our state should be able to live without fear.’’

Carcieri signed the six-point order last Thursday saying it will enable “a vast array of state government agencies” to address illegal immigration in Rhode Island.

Later today, Governor Carcieri responded to the clergy's remarks.

“First and foremost, I respect the opinions of Bishop Tobin, Rabbi Flam and Reverend Anderson,” Governor Carcieri said. “I know and admire their work in our community and I am happy to meet with them to discuss this issue.”

“Unfortunately, I must respectfully disagree with their position on illegal immigration in Rhode Island,” the governor said. “While I sympathize with the plight of illegal immigrants in America, I also believe that a nation must have laws and controls on its borders. We cannot simply leave our borders open to all comers.”

Carcieri last week said he issued the executive order because the federal government has dropped the ball on immigration reform and left state taxpayers to pick up what he said are the considerable costs of illegal immigration.

During a sometimes contentious news conference, the governor said he knew he was tackling “a difficult, sensitive issue,” and one that “stirs great emotion.”

“This is not about taking a hard line against immigrants,” said Carcieri. “It’s about making sure that those who come here can realize their goals of economic security and a better quality of life.” Harking to his own immigrant roots, the governor said he supports people who follow legal channels to realize the American Dream.


-- With Journal reports

Posted by Mike McKinney  at 4:48 PM | Permalink

Comments

I love how the liberals who usually scream "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!" are rejoicing over the church's butting in to the state's problems in this circumstance.

Hypocrites? Yeah.

Deport them all (and their 'anchor babies') to their country of origin and let them get in line to get here legally.

Greg | April 2, 2008 3:24 PM link

The Gov has my complete support and it is time for the overburdened taxpayers in RI to finally have a voice. We are here legally!

I'm still waiting for Bishop Tobin's plan.....he certainly sounds like a democrat.

And as for the unified spineless up on Smith Hill....let's just have more taxes.

One year to go and I'm out of Rhode Island and I will not be looking back.


Chris Kozak | April 2, 2008 3:38 PM link

I strongly agree with Governor Carcieri. There is no reason why there should not be a law that provides for the weeding out of persons who are in the country illegally. If a person is here legally, they should have the necessary documentation available to them to prove it, so I can't see where there would be any discrimination. It appears that the people who are screaming the loudest are those that support illegal immigrants because "they are just trying to better their lives". The problem with that argument is that there are large numbers of people who have taken the legal steps to come into this country who are on waiting lists. What is being done for them?

Dorothy | April 2, 2008 3:43 PM link

They (all these leaders who are criticizing the Governor's executive order) should all be put in jail for inciting unlawful conduct with their incindiary rhetoric. Albeit that this is a country of free speech, the laws of the land must be followed by everyone. The Governor is enforcing the Immigration Laws--what don't they get?? And why do they want these FREELOADERS draining Rhode Island dry?? Religious leaders -- Please explain further your "Human Rights" terminology. These Illegals are not from countries where they are being persecuted for their beliefs or ideologies--they are here for the freebies, and know how to beat the system every which way.

Gone Too Far | April 2, 2008 3:51 PM link

In the comments about the Governor's Executive order regarding the enforcement of State Laws regarding who is entitled to be in the State, I noticed they talked about immigrants, and people of color possibly being targets going forward. But a "Legal" Immigrant from "whatever" country has nothing to fear. Don't you understand, Reverends, that it is the same as most of you want for abortion laws, or would you OK ignoring that type law when it involved immigrants and/or as you say people of color. Perhaps if you had enforced and prosecuted laws against inhouse sexual predators more in the past your churches and coffers would be more filled, and you wouldn't have had to sell the expensive real estate given to you over the years by your benefactors. Shame on you, again for your attitudes.

Don | April 2, 2008 3:53 PM link

If a person is a legal resident of the United States, they wouldn't have anything to be afraid of.

Larry | April 2, 2008 3:54 PM link

What isn't right here? How can someone openly condone something illegal? What about the rights of those who have waited (and STILL are waiting) to get here illegally but are denied because there is, quite frankly, no room at the inn? The governor is not intentially hurting anyone - he is enforcing the law. If the illegal immigrants did things the proper, legal way, then no one would be suffering.

Legal Immigrant | April 2, 2008 4:15 PM link

I am shocked and ashamed at the clergy's reaction to the governor enforcement of "the law of the land". If I am not mistaken, the Gov. swore on the bible to do this. As a catholic, I feel that this rhetoric from my Bishop does nothing but inflame the issue. Not one of them has proposed any solution, but simply to make a point of telling our government not to enforce their laws. Furthermore, the Gov. order does not say, "hunt down and round up illegal immigrants and deport them immediately", it simply reinforces that we should be following the laws in place.

Additionally, my feeling is that the clergy pandering to the illegal immagrants is no better than what the democratic leadership in RI does by pandering to the illegal immagration community inorder to further their own agenda. I would hope that the clergy come forward and apologize for their rhetoric that does nothing to solve the problem but "stir the pot".

stephen | April 2, 2008 4:25 PM link

Governor Carcieri you are too good for this state. No matter what you do for us you will always have those detractors who are in the minority but are much more vocal than the "Silent Majority". Your job is the most thankless in the state. As soon as your term as governor is up, move to Florida or New Mexico or anywhere where you will not be hassled and your retirement will mean something good for you and your family. Best wishes for you. Thank you for what you try to do for this state that is so under-appreciated.

Henry | April 2, 2008 4:45 PM link

The groups that oppose the Governor are racial profiling themselves.
Illegal immigration is not specific to one nationality.
There are illegal immigrants in this state and across the country from all over the world.
Illegal immigration leaves us open to terrorism and terrorist attacks.
Curbing illegal immigration makes it safer for us to live in the state and across the country, it curbs identity theft, and will in the long run help our economy more.
Come on people did we not learn anything from 911?

DENNIS LEFEBVRE | April 2, 2008 4:49 PM link

I find it amazing that the clergy when they have a member of their faith in need they send them to the government for assistance and WE PAY.
The clergy and parish make no efforts to assist someone in need as they should!
It is a shame!

Dennis | April 2, 2008 5:32 PM link

Illegal is Illegal. They are breaking the law. Its that plain and simple. As far as the protesters go, NIS should be at protest site with a bus because I'd be willing to bet many are illegal

Richard | April 2, 2008 5:37 PM link

Carcieri, abetted by the talk radio right wingers, is following the Republican script and using undocumented immigrants as scapegoats to distract from the failures of his administration. Of those who are so upset about the illegality of their status, I wonder how many of you always obey speed limits, refrain from taking liberties with fax forms, and otherwise scrupulously adhere to all laws?

South County Sage | April 2, 2008 5:49 PM link

The governor is quite right. We do not need illegal immigrants but LEGAL ones. as an aside, to those taking shots at "the liberals" remember: ONLY the president can enforce immigration laws. As chief executive, he has the power and the funding. Bush has clearly chosen NOT to do so!

Tom from NH | April 2, 2008 5:50 PM link

why this person said that people with papers will fear the laws in the state if you have nothing to hide why would you be scare , i advice the people of america dont let latinos ruled this country , every time they do it nothing goes rigth .jut look a latin america.and i not sugarcovered it iam a latino i know.

jorge vega | April 2, 2008 6:15 PM link

Is anyone other than me sick of the left-wing/right-wing mud slinging? The two party system is on its way out. Everyone in this country is either an immigrant or the descendant of one. If you're here and working, pay taxes, become a citizen. How about going after the employers that create the illegal job market for immigrants, instead of individually screwing people and families. Oh wow, I must be a bleeding heart liberal. Go wrap yourself in the flag.

Josh from South County | April 2, 2008 6:26 PM link

Shame on Bishop Tobin. He CERTAINLY DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THIS CATHOLIC!!

I hope the Gov. Carcieri stays the course. He is the only politician showing leadership and courage. I can't wait to vote for a new rep in Narragansett at the next election.

george | April 2, 2008 7:12 PM link

Yes, let's send the troops to Federal Hill and West Warwick to round up the Italian and Portuguese hordes which have taken all the jobs. Grandpa where's your ID?

How about all the French-Canadians? Huh? Round 'em up, ship 'em back!

And don't even get me started on the Irish in Newport!

Jason | April 2, 2008 7:18 PM link

If you are legal...there is no worry...what's there to worry?????? you are Legal....if you are in my country and "You are here Illegally" you must return to where you come from....those supporting illegal's????? are Aiding and Abetting illegal activities.....if they are profiting from it???? then they should come under the RICO Statute...and immediately....we are a nation of laws I"ve heard...have a nice day...

Tom V. | April 2, 2008 7:36 PM link

So.. how much do these churches want to conribuite in taxes to support the state? Since they have all the answers. I thought so.

tom | April 2, 2008 7:41 PM link

Whatsoever your do to the least of my brothers, that you do onto me.

Jake | April 2, 2008 10:49 PM link

..."discrimination against people of color and immigrants in Rhode Island.’’

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR! IT HAS TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS! WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT?

Illegal Immigration has caused more problems than anyone could have ever imagined. These problems WILL NOT go away until each and every ILLEGAL ALIEN is out of this Country and back in their own country. I pray God will guide them and they have a safe journey home. AMEN.

Delaware Bob | April 3, 2008 12:12 AM link

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