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Sunday's New England Patriots vs. Pittsburgh Steelers game will be the subject of this week’s NFL Network Game of the Week airing Thursday, (9/29) at 9:00 PM ET.
Leading health organizations, including The Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, The American Cancer Society, The American Heart Association and The American Red Cross will be participating in Men's Health Day. Players from both the New England Patriots and the New England Revolution as well as Patriots cheerleaders and team mascots from both teams will be on hand to visit with and offer support to men participating in the programs. 
September 28
FOXBORO -- The Pats injury report has been released. The following players are out Questionable Tully Banta-Cain, knee Tom Brady is probable with a right shoulder
There's been no announcement by the Patriots yet, but running back Amos Zereoue is in Foxboro today as the Patriots begin preparation for the Chargers. Zereoue worked out yesterday for the team. If New England had no intention of signing him, he'd likely be gone by now. The team may be awaiting news on running back Kevin Faulk, who was hobbled at the end of the Steelers game. We'll update.
Did you notice that in the well-done ESPN SportsCentury piece on Pats quarterback Tom Brady that Brady didn't, ummmm, talk? The omnipotent sports network courted the 28-year-old over the summer fully expecting cooperation because, well, they're omnipotent. And what's the harm in doing a little retrospective after three Super Bowl wins. Brady thought the harm was that he didn't want to help in a retrospective for a career that is still in its nascent stages. So he respectfully declined. Notice also that members of Brady's tight-knit family were absent. Once they knew Tom didn't want in, they followed suit. ****
September 27
Patriots left tackle Matt Light has a broken right leg, sources confirmed last night. Light, who was rolled on during Sunday's game at Pittsburgh, will be out for an undetermined period. Safety Rodney Harrison, meanwhile, was placed on injured reserve and linebacker Wesly Mallard was released. The Patriots are close to signing safety Mike Stone. He played in 14 games for the Cardinals last year. With Harrison out and rookie James Sanders unavailable since training camp, Stone is depth at the spot for the presumptive starter Guss Scott. Also, there's an internet report that the team has re-signed offensive lineman Gene Mruczkzowski. I haven't confirmed that yet. Yesterday, the team worked out corners, safeties and running backs (Kevin Faulk was hobbling at the end of Sunday's game). They were: * Eric Bickerstaff, a 25-year-old back from Wisconsin who hasn't played in the league since 2003 with the Cowboys and was on Oakland's practice squad two weeks ago. * Troy Edwards, a veteran wide receiver that caught 50 balls with the Jaguars last year. His workout is an indication Troy Brown might be headed back to corner. * Michael Harden, a rookie corner from Missouri who was on the Niners practce squad until the middle of the month. * Russell Stuvaints, a third-year safety who played in 15 games with the Steelers last season * Amos Zereoue, the former Raiders and Steelers running back who ran for 425 yards in Oakland last year.
September 25
PITTSBURGH - The inactives today are Dan Klecko, Brandon Gorin and Wes Mallard joining the four players who didn't make the trip -- James Sanders, Randall Gay, Tyrone Poole and Andre Davis. Matt Cassel is the third quarterback today. Sitting for the Steelers are corners Bryant McFadden and Willie Williams, running back Jerome Bettis, linebacker Rian Wallace, guard Chris Kemoeatu, tackle Trai Essex and receiver Sean Morey. ***** A Boston Globe writer said in his column last Monday after the Patriots loss at Carolina that it was far too early to speculate that Corey Dillon's age was the reason the Patriots running game lagged over the first two weeks. Six days passed. And today, he devoted an article that was supposed to illustrate the flagging production of running backs once they turn 30 (Dillon will be 31 in October). Accompanying the story was a graphic noting that only 30 times since 1934 has a 30-plus back gone over 1,000 yards. Left unmentioned in the graphic or the story were a couple of key points that -- if mentioned -- would have harpooned the thesis that over-30 backs are doomed. First, Dillon was one of the over-30 backs to run for 1,000 plus and his 1,635 yards (in 15 games, mind you) was the third-highest total ever and he needed 345 yards to do it. The highest was Curtis Martin's 1,697 in 16 games last year when he carried 371 times. Walter Payton (1,684 yards in 1981 on 381 carries when he was 30) is the player in between Dillon and Martin. So Corey Dillon's fall-off -- if it is to be -- will be unbelievably precipitous. So not only are "aged" backs gaining more yards after 30 than at any time in NFL history, the player who's supposedly breaking down -- Dillon -- had the highest per-carry average of any back that topped 1,600 yards by a large margin. ***** In the same Globe column, a defensive assistant who coached against the Pats this year but requested anonymity (so he's either from Carolina or Oakland) says that Tom Brady is running the Patriots offense at the line of scrimmage. "They give him a bag full of plays and then they let him handle it," said the assistant who later added, "[Bill] Belichick doesn't even have a headset on, so how's he calling the plays? Smoke signals? If you think a 28-year-old kid [quarterback coach Josh McDaniels] is doing it, you don't understand much about Belichick." Right. Wonder if the assistant knows that Tom Brady also happens to be 28. **** Rodney Harrison was reportedly fined $5,000 for the play on which he de-helmeted Stephen Davis of Carolina.
September 24
Some weeks, you get an immediate sense of what's going to happen with the Patriots in their upcoming game. Other weeks, it's tougher to get a read. I've had a hard time trying to get a read on today's game between the Patriots and Steelers probably because of the shoddy display by the Pats last week against Carolina. It's been hard enough figuring out where that performance came from; I hadn't even really deciphered what I thought New England would try to do against Pittsburgh's defense. Eating dinner Saturday night and reading my Sporting News, I got a clue. Bill Belichick spent the week lauding all the Steelers but he really praised safety Troy Polamalu. In this week's issue, Ravens coach Brian Billick said of Polamalu, "You need a really good tight end to neutralize him because open space is not his forte. He is good at coverage but it is not his forte. If you have a good tight end it forces their safeties to pay more attention to the passign game and he can't play near as much near the line.That gives your running game a better chance to succeed and that's how you have to attack the Steelers -- running it and using your tight end." The Patriots have two good tight ends and Pittsburgh hasn't seen one of them -- Ben Watson. Now, Watson didn't have a great week against Carolina -- few guys did -- and one of the problems was at least one misread on a sight adjustment in the second half that made Tom Brady have to reload and throw where Watson was, not where he was supposed to go. Still, it makes sense for the Pats to try to occupy Polamalu. They went after him early last year in the AFC Championship, exploiting his aggressiveness in the running game by throwing over his head. Look for them to use Watson and Daniel Graham in his area to try to jump start the running game and keep him from crashing the box. All that said, I still have a hard time seeing New England taking this one. I think Willie Parker's going to be a handful and the Pats running game will have to wait another week to get untracked. ***** Tyrone Poole, Randall Gay, James Sanders and Andre Davis did not make the trip to Pittsburgh...Here's a good event I'd like to see people get behind -- Larry Izzo is presenting "Karaoke With Larry Izzo and the New England Patriots" to benefit U.S. Troops and their families . It will be held Monday, October 24 at Avalon on 15 Lansdowne Street in Boston. Izzo, Tom Brady, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Mike Vrabel, Adam Vinatieri, Ted Johnson, Troy Brown, Drew Rosenhaus and others are expected to perform. Call Ticketmaster (617-931-2000) for tickets which go for $50 and will -- of course -- go to the troops and their families. ...Lastly, with all the talk about the Colts improved defense being their ticket to Detroit in February, folks are forgetting -- it's not their defense that keeps ending their season. It's the offense which has put up 17 points combined in the final games of the Past two seasons (24-14 in the 04 AFC Championship and 20-3 in last year's Divisional playoffs both at New England).
September 21
Here's this week's first injury list: PATS: STEELERS:
Running back Kory Chapman is on the verge of being signed by the Indianapolis Colts and added to their active roster. Chapman was on the Patriots' practice squad. His spot will be filled by defensive lineman Santonio Thomas.
FOXBORO - The Corey Dillon Watch can officially be abandoned. "I know you guys is waiting for this big eruption and it's not gonna happen, I'm telling you," Dillon said in the locker room this morning. "That volcano done blew it's top a long time ago. It's not gonna happen. It's done. It's done. I'm calm. I'm just ready to work." Dillon has been a model Patriot on and off the field since leaving behind a tumultuous past in Cincinnati. But after running for just 99 yards in his first two games this season, there was curiosity about whether the 31-year-old would reach a state of agitation. We'll have more on the running game and how it shapes up with Sunday's opponent the Steelers in tomorrow's Journal. A practice and injury report will be filed here before 5 p.m. Thanks for checking in, Tom
Bill Belichick doesn't have much use for the folks in the NFL offices these days. The Pats coach has dropped a few snide comments during press conferences over the past few days that stop short of being full-blown attacks but are clearly designed to register disgust. On Monday, Belichick said it would make sense for the league to put a camera on the goal line to give a readily-available angle on players who are close to breaking the plane. It's something they presented to the competition committee in the spring but it was turned down because of expense. Asked if the league has given a reason why they don't have one there, Belichick said, "Just talk to the league. I don't want to get involved in that. Just talk to them. I'm sure they have an answer for everything." On Friday -- a much more lighthearted Belichick was presented with an array of stats compiled by the league on arcane matters like who has the youngest team, etc. "The geniuses from the NFL came up with this? I see they have a lot of extra time on their hands," cracked Belichick. After giving his explanation of why his team has the most combined years of experience (a 42-year-old quarterback, for example), Belichick asked, "How many do we have with blue eyes? We have a tall punter. That stuff it really means a lot to me. Really. I see we have a lot of people with some extra time on their hands." The coach's disdain for the way the league sometimes does business probably dates back a ways, but it first mainifested itself near the start of last season. Already rankled by the competition committee's crackdown on pass defense that seemed specifically targeted at the Patriots, the NFL changed a rule after the second week of the season saying that defensive players weren't allowed to call timeouts if they didn't have any. Previously, the official would ignore the player. Now it would be a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. This change came down after Mike Vrabel called a non-existent timeout before Arizona attempted a half-ending field goal. The refs ignored Vrabel but Arizona wailed that Vrabel was a distraction. The league instituted the penalty that week and Belichick was rankled because he didn't feel it went through the normal channels. In addition to Belichick's disdain for the way the competition committee seems to work, he's not a fan of what the schedule-maker has put the Pats through the past two seasons either. New England has had -- in essence -- three preseason games to get ready for its season the past two years because it's involved in the Thursday night season opener a week after the final one is scheduled. The rest of the league has a 10-day break between the preseason finale and the opener. And while some would argue that having the league opener is an honor (and a terrific marketing opportunity) Belichick cares little for that stuff. All he knows is his team has the shortest offseason because of its success then the shortest preseason also because of its success. Then comes the regular season slate. Last year, the Pats had their bye after the second game of the season. So they played the Colts on September 9, at Arizona on the 19th and then were off until October 3. From there, they played 17 straight games. The Pats get a better bye this season (after their sixth game) but face five 2004 playoff teams (4 of those on the road) in the first six weeks. That's a crusher. And when it's all rolled together, it's no surprise that Belichick's distaste for the way the NFL does business creeps out every now and then.
September 15
I've received a number of e-mailed questions since starting the blog. Here's a pair of them received in the past few days. Keep 'em coming, I like to hear from you. ****** QUESTION Rob B. ANSWER Rob, I like to go with a plan for the day, a thesis for what I'm writing about. For instance, yesterday (for today's paper) I wanted to highlight Jake Delhomme's passion and the versatility of the Panthers running game. I asked Belichick about their ground game, how intricate it is in terms of personnel and about Stephen Davis. He took Delhomme questions from some other writers so I didn't need to ask any on him. He appreciates a question that shows at least a passing knowledge of the subject, that goes a little beyond the surface of, "Talk about Stephen Davis," for example. In the press conference setting it's not hard to ask two or three consecutive questions and Belichick is very good about taking follow-ups and helping out by going into further detail anytime a reporter says he needs something explained to him. I think that, because of his style, even people who cover the beat only part-time know far more about why things happen at game-time than they ever did. T QUESTION Carolina defensively has good corners, missing a Pro Bowl lineman but still only gave up 290 total yards. Do you think this could be a low scoring game? Will this Hurricane have any field condition effect? ANSWER Well, you and I both know it COULD be low-scoring, but I don't think it will. My feeling is both of these offenses are too good and "multiple" to be held down all game. Say, for instance, the Patriots take away Davis and DeShaun Foster, I really feel the Carolina passing attack with Steve Smith, Ricky Proehl, Kris Mangum, Rod Gardener, etc. to get them points. Same for New England. I would hate to be a defensive coordinator trying to give my defense one or two things to really concentrate on stopping defensively. My guess is this game gets played in the mid-20s. T. *****
**** Fans can vote for one player in each category on NFL.com from Tuesday morning through noon EST on Friday to determine the FedEx Air & Ground NFL Players of the Week. The winners will be announced Friday afternoon on NFL.com. **** The Patriots will launch a new weekly show geared towards children and families, called "Totally Patriots." It will launch on Sunday, September 18 on WCVB-TV Channel 5 in Boston and air every Sunday at 11:00 a.m., immediately after the Emmy Award-winning "Patriots All Access."
September 14
FOXBORO - The Patriots injury report is out. The following players missed a portion of team practice today and are listed as questionable for Sunday's game in Carolina. Tully Banta-Cain (LB) knee Quarterback Tom Brady is probable with an ever-present shoulder malady. For Carolina, Jordan Carstens (DT) has an ankle, Marlin McCree (S) has a thigh and Brandon Short (LB) has a foot. All are probable. Defensive tackle Kris Jenkins is out with a torn ACL.
FOXBORO - Just in from practice access as the Patriots prepare for Carolina on Sunday. Working out on the Revolution practice field, the Pats had a smaller-than-normal crew at the start of the workout. Among the players not out there at the start of practice were wide receiver Bethel Johnson, linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, corner Chad Scott, and defensive lineman Richard Seymour. Defensive end Jarvis Green was wearing a red non-contact jersey. Duane Starks and Chad Brown were both dressed in full gear for the practice. The Patriots first injury report of the week comes out at 4 p.m. and we'll update then along with some quotes from Bill Belichick's press conference and the Panthers conference calls with Jake Delhomme and head coach John Fox. T
September 11
With the Pats heading to Carolina to face the NFC's anointed favorite for the Super Bowl next week, here's some quick impressions from their loss to the Saints. * I can't even imagine how much dough the bookies and Vegas made off of people betting against the vagabond Saints. * Stephen Davis had a nice game going for 81 yards on 13 carries (long of 39) and good for him. The guy's battling arthritic knees. It is worth wondering, though, how those knees will feel next week after being pounded for the first time in a year (Davis missed 2004). * Kris Jenkins, one of the Panthers' top-tier defensive linemen, went down, returned and then missed the remainder of the game. * Linebacker Will Witherspoon had a terrific game. Julius Peppers, a feared defensive player who really didn't make a ripple in the '03 Super Bowl (Daniel Graham rag-dolled him on a few blocks and Peppers turtled when he saw Richard Seymour on a goal-line play) had a quiet game. * I like Aaron Brooks. I really do. I think he could be verrrry good, not just statistically good. * I'm not a big jersey wearer, but I love the Saints black road jerseys and may be forced to pick one up. (Hey, look, the Cowboys just screwed up the center-quarterback exchange and San Diego recovered. Not only does Drew never get any weapons, the center conspires to make him look bad on the snap. He must be the most persecuted man in sports. Oh, and LT just scored.)
September 9
FOXBORO - Corey Dillon expressed disgust at the perception he and Tom Brady had a problem during last night's opener. "Come on, me and Tom do not have a Donovan and T.O. relationship. I don't know what you guys are reading into that. We were basically saying we've got to get the running game going," said Dillon, referring to the animus between Eagles receiver Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens. Told that, because ABC's cameras caught Brady talking heatedly to an obviously angry Dillon after the Pats first touchdown drive, the conclusion that he and Brady was easy to come to. Dillon, who obviously hadn't seen the telecast said, "I think you need a review. Did you ask Tom about this?" Told that Brady wasn't at his locker, Dillon looked over his shoulder and saw Brady exiting the shower area. "Tom, he says we were fighting," said Dillon. "Never had a problem with him in my life," said Brady. "Never."
FOXBORO - The late ending and my need to hit deadline with my game story prevented me from getting down to the postgame locker rooms. But -- and this is the beauty of this medium -- my colleague Kevin McNamara got some Raiders quotes for me I'll share now. WARREN SAPP "Except for that last drive (on which the Patriots went up 30-13), we basically handed it to them. The penalties (16 for 149 yards) killed us. We were in it but that last drive killed us. If we didn't do that, it's 23-20 and we're there." "We have to take advantage of every opportunity because the one thing they do really well is capitalize on your mistakes.The one thing I know is penalties will hurt you. You can't have penalties against a team like the New England Patriots, the Super Bowl champs. "My hat's off to the Patriots. They're a good team. They run good schemes and have good players in the schemes." "My nervousness was just playing the game, not the hype of Randy Moss this, Randy Moss that. They made plays and we made plays, but they made them more." Bill Belichick talks today at 11:45 and the players access is after that. T
September 8
FOXBORO -- Tully Banta-Cain, Duane Starks, James Sanders, Andre Davis, Brandon Gorin, Bethel Johnson and Marquise Hill were inactive for the Pats. Matt Cassel is going to be the third QB. For the Raiders, wide receivers Carlos Francis, Johnnie Morant and Doug Gabriel are down. So is renning back Justin Fargas (Huggy Bear's boy). T
FOXBORO - Patriots quarterback Tom Brady ran out onto the field 5 minutes ago, sprinted the length of the sideline (as is his pregame routine) and then stopped at the end, faced the fans and pumped his fist at them twice. The fans went crazy. About half the squad is now on the field with Kevin Faulk and Tim Dwight back deep catching punts from Josh Miller and Brady, Doug Flutie and Matt Cassel throwing short out to wide receivers David Givens, Deion Branch and Troy Brown. This is a very early arriving crowd tonight, thanks to the concert. Raiders owner Al Davis, using a walker, made his way through the press box to the visiting owner's box a few minutes ago. Davis is now 76. T
FOXBORO -- Smoking grills, a portly 50-something Raiders fan in a Robert Gallery jersey, stacked parking lots and a field covered with SEVEN different risers to accomodate the assorted pregame acts and media are all part of the scene at 7 p.m., an hour before kickoff. Mike Vrabel and an unidentified Raider (they're both in shorts and gray t-shirts) chatted for a few minutes from 6:45 to 7. Now the field is generally empty except for a few scattered Raiders and Patriots Matt Chatham and Tom Ashworth. At this point, players are getting dressed, stretching and getting taped. It would be getting quiet as players begin to prepare. Coaches are making game-time decisions on injured players and fine-tuning the inactive lists before game time on this, the night when both teams will likely be at their most healthy all year. As for the entertainment, the rumor is that Ozzy Osbourne will sing Crazy Train from atop a giant stage shaped like a helmet positioned outside New England's locker room. Should be...interesting. T
September 7
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The Patriots signed rookie linebacker Andre Torrey to the practice squad and released rookie safety Raymond Ventrone from the practice squad today. The injury report for tomorrow night's game remains unchanged. Tully Banta-Cain, Andre Davis, David Givens,Brandon Gorin, Jarvis Green, Bethel Johnson, Dan Klecko, James Sanders and Duane Starks are all questionable. Tom Brady is probable.
September 6
FOXBORO -- Bill Belichick has completed his morning press conference and the locker room period is over. The team is currently at practice in shells (helmets, light shoulder pads, shorts). Corner Duane Starks and linebacker Tully Banta-Cain were on the field. Safety James Sanders wasn't seen in the first few minutes of practice. The team's injury report will be out at 4 p.m. today and we will update. T
September 4
FOXBORO - Just a few quick notes before heading out to catch the first portion of practice at 12:25. In his press conference, an upbeat and expansive Bill Belichick: * Went into detail on Mike Wright, the defensive lineman from Cincinnati who made the club with a solid training camp and preseason performance. * Spoke at length on the Raiders and Al Davis, Randy Moss and defensive lineman Tommy Kelly who gets "most feared defensive player" billing this week. * Spoke about the release of David Terrell. Also: Monty Beisel has changed his number from 44 to Ted Johnson's old 52. Apparently it's a league edict that all numbers in the 50s -- if available -- have to be covered by linebackers. Tom Brady and Deion Branch checked in. David Givens was ear-to-ear about the performance of Notre Dame and new head coach Charlie Weis last night. We'll have the practice squad and some practice notes for you later on. T
September 3
The following players were released by the Patriots today: Wide Receivers Running backs Offensive lLine Tight End Defensive Line Linebackers Safety Ray Ventrone
September 2
Bill Belichick's postgame conference call is still ongoing.
Belichcik said he wouldn't go into players who stepped forward on a "case-by-case basis" but he mentioned guys in the kicking game as having made an impression. *Belichick wouldn't comment on whether the players who didn't dress Thursday (Christian Fauria, forinstance) were safely on the team. * Asked about Tully Banta-Cain who left with an injury, Belichick said TBC is "Good. I think everybody's doing OK." * In response to a question about whether a player who was traded for (ex. Duane Starks) may have more of a chance to make the team based on what the team gave up to get him than a street free agent, Belichick said, "Once the players walk onto field at the start of training camp, it doesn't matter if he played Division One or Division 6 (college football) or if he's played in 12 Pro Bowls. A player's performance is based on what he does in this system on the football field. (Status) has zero or almost zero impact.
September 1
FOXBORO -- The Patriots announced officially that wide receiver/kick returner Bethel Johnson has been taken off the PUP list. The team also released wide receiver Eugene Baker, a five-year pro from Kent State who was really just roster fodder. Johnson, meanshile is dressed for the game and running around out there in warmups as we speak. Other guys dressed and on the field currently include: PK Sam, David Terrell, Bam Childress, Andre Davis, Doug Flutie, Randall Gay, James Sanders, Ray Ventrone and Guss Scott. No "regulars" are on the field yet.
FOXBORO - A little more than two hours before the Patriots preseason finale against the Giants kicks off. Linebacker Mike Vrabel -- who sat last week against Green Bay -- was with a group of five Patriots sprinting from sideline-to-sideline a few minutes ago. He ran without any signs of discomfort. Also, Tom Brady, Dan Koppen, Dan Klecko, Grant Steen, Adam Vinatieri, Doug Flutie, and Larry Izzo are on the field. Nobody is doing very much. No word back from sources close to Peerless Price on whether or not he's leaning toward signing with the Pats. Check back in before the game. T
The Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that Peerless Price was in New England yesterday. Price's agent, Tim McGee, didn't return messages I left for him yesterday. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-dolnotes01sep01,0,47174.story?coll=sfla-sports-front The former Falcon and Bills receiver is in Miami today and headed to Dallas tomorrow, apparently. Meanwhile, as we alluded to in our last blog entry, Bethel Johnson is back to the active list after missing nearly all of training camp with a leg injury. T
Well, it appears I effectively mangled my mathematics when doing my roster projections story for today's print edition. Thanks to the posters at patsfans.com who noticed it. Clarifying: I stated there were 70 active players. When I wrote it, there were. Bethel Johnson has been moved from PUP to active so now there's 71. That means the Pats need to cut 18 players to get down to 53. Anyway, in today's piece - for whatever reason - I then subtracted the three specialists (kicker, punter, long-snapper) from 70 leaving me with 67 and then I theorized the Pats needed to cut 14 more guys. What? Subtracting the three specialists from 70 was like cutting them. Dope. Anyway, I'll do the math again here for you (adding in Bethel). The Patriots have 71 players on the roster: 33 on defense, 35 on offense and three specialists. The Pats need to cut 18 players to get down to 53 for the Oakland game. After breaking down the roster, comparing it to last year and assessing this year's needs, these 21 players are close to the edge: * Offensive linemen Billy Yates, Victor Leyva and Jeff Roehl. * Tight ends Joel Jacobs and Christian Fauria. * Running backs Kyle Eckel and Kory Chapman. * Wide receivers David Terrell, P.K. Sam, Bam Childress, Andre Davis and Eugene Baker. * Defensive linemen Mike Wright and Tom Sverchek. * Linebackers Wesley Mallard, Grant Steen, Eric Alexander and Andre Torrey. * Cornerbacks Duane Starks and Chad Scott and safety Ray Ventrone. So we have 21 guys for 3 spots. Front-runners for those spots are probably Chapman, Mallard, Alexander, Davis and Scott. The next group would be Fauria, Starks, Torrey, Wright, Sam, Terrell, Yates and Roehl. Who's pretty much gone? Sverchek, Leyva, Jacobs, Steen, Eckel, Baker, Ventrone and Childress. Anyway, nice mess by me. Sorry for the confusion.
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