Let's do number 14. Let me tell you what he said. Can you agree you never saw Ms. Osteen hit Ms. Brown?

"He said I never saw any assault. I never saw any contact. He saw like this or whether that was Ms. Osteen or Ms. Brown. Their first independent witness said that there was not an assault. That's someone they put on the stand.

Let's do 15 please: Is it true Mr. McGregor that Ms. Osteen did not hit her?

That's right.

The only evidence from them is coming from Sharon Brown and Maria Johnson. Why is no one else aware of it? No one saw an assault. Many don't believe that there was an assault. Not one independent person says or claims in a second that there was an assault.

Their last independent witness said: never saw Victoria Osteen assault Ms. Brown? No.

I take it that you were never aware that day that there was a physical struggle? Is that true? Yes."